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Interview conducted by Niram Ferretti. Italian original at ” Intervista: ‘La politica di Israele dovrebbe essere la vittoria’. ” L’Informale : The conflict between Israel and Hamas has led to a new phenomenon: widespread riots by Israel’s Arab citizens. Do you agree with Israeli historian Benny Morris’ 2004 assessment that Israeli Arabs are a “time bomb”?
Daniel Pipes : Very much so. I have written on Israeli Arabs since 1986 and argued since 2006 that they represent Israel’s ” final enemy ” and an ” existential danger .” After foreign states and external Palestinians are neutralized, the Arab citizens of Israel remain as the enemy that cannot be defeated but must be integrated, a far more difficult task.
L’Informale : Has the current fighting permitted Hamas to reach its long-time goal of replacing Fatah as the main organization for Palestinians to eliminate Israel?
DP : I doubt it. Fatah and its related organizations (the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Authority) enjoy a legitimacy with Israelis and internationally that Hamas lacks, giving it access to money and other support unavailable to Hamas. Hamas can obstruct Fatah but cannot replace it. Hamas (as represented here by Ismail Haniya on the left) is stronger than the Palestinian Authority (represented by Mahmoud Abbas) but cannot replace it. L’Informale : It appears that the current battle with Hamas, like past ones, will end with a ceasefire. Is this inevitable or is there another possible exit?
DP : This being Israel’s fourth major confrontation with Hamas (prior ones were in 2008-09, 2012, and 2014), many Israelis are determined not to repeat the “mowing the lawn” scenario of 1. a ceasefire, 2. Hamas preparing for a next round, and 3. renewed fighting.
The major alternative is a ground invasion enabling Israeli forces to retake and rule Gaza. This, however, poses the same intractable problems as in 2003, when Ariel Sharon decided on withdrawing unilaterally from the territory: Gazans will inflict pain that Israelis want to avoid.
Other schemes also bring major problems from Israel’s point of view: repeated incursions would lead to massive international and even domestic […]
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